"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee)
06/25/2020 at 14:22 • Filed to: Racists gonna race
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"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee)
06/25/2020 at 14:22 • Filed to: Racists gonna race | 5
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“Not a noose” my ass
For Sweden
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 14:27 |
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Phelps said NASCAR conducted a thorough sweep of every garage area in all 29 tracks at which it races, a total of 1,684 garage stalls.
“We found only 11 total that had a pull-down rope tied in a knot, and only one noose — the one discovered on Sunday in Bubba Wallace’s garage,” Phelps said.
Track managers were working overtime this past week untyi ng knots.
Brickman
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 14:28 |
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This is a makeshift garage door pull
That one.... is a noose. Maybe they didn’t want to tie a simple knot, but that is 100% a noose in my definition of southern hospitality .
DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 14:30 |
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As I said in a previous thread. Tying a noose at any workplace, or literally anywhere else that is public , will definitely make people very uncomfortable. Acting like its no big deal to see something like this is very t elling about a persons sense (or lack thereof) of social responsibility.
Reporting this was the right move. NASCAR investigating was the right move.
MonkeePuzzle
> Brickman
06/25/2020 at 14:30 |
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yes! a loop for your hand makes perfect sense.
the one from that garage was a damned noose!!!
UserNotFound
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 14:30 |
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Phelps said NASCAR conducted a thorough sweep of every garage area in all 29 tracks at which it races, a total of 1,684 garage stalls.
“We found only 11 total that had a pull-down rope tied in a knot, and only one noose — the one discovered on Sunday in Bubba Wallace’s garage,” Phelps said.
The immediacy with which people started declaring it a hoax, followed by their elation when it was found to be a garage pull, was astonishing to behold.
CalzoneGolem
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 14:31 |
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Yes that’s a noose but what makes it racist and not some board guy tying it in 2019 instead of a standard loop?
McMike
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 14:33 |
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Nobody ties that knot on accident.
It’s not even a good knot for a pull loop. You need a bowline, a double overhand or a figure 8 for that. S
omething that
self-
tightens on itself
, not the loop.
TheRealBicycleBuck
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 14:35 |
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D espite my hopes, that’s a noose.
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If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
> McMike
06/25/2020 at 14:36 |
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Yup.
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MonkeePuzzle
> McMike
06/25/2020 at 14:36 |
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dammit! i am just now making this!!!!
HammerheadFistpunch
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 14:37 |
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It’ s a noose, no question. Though I still maintain some dingus kid on the crew did it out of an abundance of stupid and not much more. When I was young I wanted to learn how to tie a noose. No I knew it would never be valuable for me to know, and yes I knew enough not to make it a public display or anything, but it was just one of those things, like drawing explosions or knives. It doesn’t mean I wanted to hurt someone, I just thought it was cool or something because I was a dumb kid .
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MonkeePuzzle
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 14:37 |
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FRIGGIN MCMIKE BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH BUT...
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If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
> HammerheadFistpunch
06/25/2020 at 14:39 |
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I’m not commenting on the intent, just stating that there now can be no goddamn way that this hubub should EVER be considered an o verreaction on anyone’s part.
facw
> McMike
06/25/2020 at 14:39 |
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Yep. I mean they conceivably could be someone who was just a little over-enamored with their knot skill, but in my experience, the people who tie nooses are at least trying to be edgy (because they know the coronations ) , if not directly threatening.
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facw
> CalzoneGolem
06/25/2020 at 14:41 |
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Noo ses are inherently threatening even if tied by some bored guy. It may not have been targeted, but everyone associates nooses with executions.
Goggles Pizzano
> HammerheadFistpunch
06/25/2020 at 14:42 |
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“... just one of those things, like drawing explosions or knives. ”
Or dicks .
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> CalzoneGolem
06/25/2020 at 14:43 |
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Right, and it just so happens to be in the garage of the only black driver currently in NASCAR. Complete coincidence. Every other rope hanging from a garage door looks nothing like a noose, except this one. Totally by chance.
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CalzoneGolem
> and 100 more
06/25/2020 at 14:45 |
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But it was there in 2019. There’s photographic proof it was there.
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CalzoneGolem
> facw
06/25/2020 at 14:45 |
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Agreed.
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> CalzoneGolem
06/25/2020 at 14:48 |
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Redacted... I read the article. Fucking weird coi ncidence.
Chariotoflove
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 14:51 |
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The people who say it’s over reacting are saying so because if it had been there so long, someone should have pointed it out and also why did it take so many FBI agents to discover the facts. I can’t say if they are right or wrong. I wasn’t there.
Sovande
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 14:51 |
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I would respond directly to IM about this, but he would just block me so....
According the ADL, a noose is a racist symbol. In the current national climate it would seem that seeing one in the garage of the only black NASCAR driver would be reason for concern. Luckily, in this case, it was not directed at the driver.
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Remain as obtuse as you want, but it’s a symbol of racial hatred and has been for 100's of years.
Snuze: Needs another Swede
> Chariotoflove
06/25/2020 at 14:54 |
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why did it take so many FBI agents to discover the facts
Good chance to go watch a NASCAR race for free. Full pit access means getting some drivers autographs.
WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 14:59 |
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I’m of the opinion that NASCAR made the right call to take it seriously, and do the investigation, and given what Bubba knew at the time, I completely understand his reaction as well. I also belie ve that now that the evidence points str ongly towards coincidence, it’s ok to untie the knot, literally and figuratively, and move on.
It’s similar to the semi truck incident on 35W in Minneapolis during the protests a few weeks ago . Turns out it was all a misunderstanding, but all of the initial evidence pointed in another direction at the time. We can only ever create a picture with the information we have at hand.
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CalzoneGolem
> and 100 more
06/25/2020 at 15:00 |
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Yeah I guess?
Do you think they inspected all the hundreds of garages and noticed this one had a noose and stuck Bubba in it? That seems a bit more organized and careful than the average racist.
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TheRealBicycleBuck
> Goggles Pizzano
06/25/2020 at 15:02 |
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T he kids I grew up around didn’t draw anything i n their notebooks, especially dicks. At least not that I ever saw. I guess we were all artistically challenged.
Nothing
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 15:02 |
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Regardless of when the “door pull” was made, there’s zero chance that there’s a single adult aged person in Alabama that does not know the implied meaning of a noose.
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CalzoneGolem
> and 100 more
06/25/2020 at 15:03 |
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Just read your edit. Truly bizarre.
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Chariotoflove
> Snuze: Needs another Swede
06/25/2020 at 15:04 |
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Not free. They got paid to be there.
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CalzoneGolem
> Chariotoflove
06/25/2020 at 15:05 |
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I think people are having issue with NASCAR going right to the media like they are virtue signalling, but if they didn’t and the media got a hold of it they’d be in a different pot of boiling water.
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Snuze: Needs another Swede
> Chariotoflove
06/25/2020 at 15:06 |
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I meant free to the agents , not to the US tax payer.
The Snowman
> Sovande
06/25/2020 at 15:06 |
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How do you direct message people on here?
bob and john
> Sovande
06/25/2020 at 15:08 |
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honestly, this is the first time i’ve seen it labeled as racist.,
terrible, fuck yes.. racist? thats new to me
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Sovande
> CalzoneGolem
06/25/2020 at 15:13 |
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Common sense. Context. The past. History. Lynchings. Racial intimidation using the noose as a symbol of same. The list goes on and on...
I’m not saying the person who tied the knot meant anything hateful, but that does not negate the fact that it is a hateful symbol.
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Sovande
> The Snowman
06/25/2020 at 15:15 |
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no clue. misterstrachan@gmail.com
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Sovande
> bob and john
06/25/2020 at 15:16 |
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It’s a racist symbol.
Zaphod's Heart of Gold
> CalzoneGolem
06/25/2020 at 15:17 |
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The history of nooses in this country is what makes it racist. The fact that Bubba ended up in that garage is coincidental, and in this case it was not intended as a hate crime, but the history in this country means when a noose is found the implications are automatically negative.
No, this was not intended at the driver but that fact was not known when it was reported. Of 1850 garage pulls inspected at NASCAR tracks around the country, this was the only one found to be of this nature which means it is not just “a standard door pull knot” as many are now saying, but done intentionally. I cannot speak to the motives of the individual that tied it but I can say for certain if I were the lone black driver in an unusually white sport and that was found in my garage I would not assume it was something innocuous, especially when I was just instrumental in having confederate flags removed form the sport.
Like it or not there are symbols in this country that inherently represent threats to black people. Nooses are one of them.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> Chariotoflove
06/25/2020 at 15:20 |
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Possibly sending 15 due to tensions outside the track that weekend.
PatBateman
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 15:20 |
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I’m gonna ask a real question: who here is actually MAD that ill intent wasn’t found? That someone tied this knot out of need and not out of hate? Because I’m definitely getting a vibe that some people here are absolutely desperate to show that they’re still angry as hell that this loop exists for any reason when you SHOULD be happy that it was at worst a misuse of a knot.
Let me tell you, I actually WAS a Boy Scout, was a Life rank (never got around to doing my Eagle project), OA member, and was the Troop Leader of my rather large troop. I went camping, rappelling, spelunking, rock climbing, and fishing. Are there times to tie that knot? ABSOLUTELY. I have tied that knot to seven rings (just like the one that is pictured) because it came in handy, but EVERYONE knew to NEVER tie it to 13 rings (hangman’s knot).
It’s a noose with a Duncan knot. It was used for months as a handle to pull the garage door down. Stop trying to read into it any more than that. Be happy that it turns out that it wasn’t put there to intimidate anyone. Keep the conversation of inclusiveness, lose the event.
tl;dr sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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bob and john
> Sovande
06/25/2020 at 15:23 |
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TIL. I always associated it with pirates and the wild wild west. (might have watched one too many pirates of the Caribbean and wild wild west one too many times)
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Chariotoflove
> CalzoneGolem
06/25/2020 at 15:25 |
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I suppose that’s true.
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Chariotoflove
> gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
06/25/2020 at 15:26 |
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When tensions are high, I suppose responses get exaggerated.
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Chariotoflove
> Snuze: Needs another Swede
06/25/2020 at 15:28 |
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I got it. I was just being a smart ass.
My bird IS the word
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 15:33 |
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I always thought that making a noose was illegal due to it being a lethal weapon. I understand the reaction, but I think it is more of an example why practical jokes aren’t funny. Removed from their context it is just evil. I can totally see a bored tech doing that for laughs for some complete different reason months ago , not expecting this. Probably shitting their pants right about now.
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McMike
> For Sweden
06/25/2020 at 15:39 |
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Track managers were working overtime this past week untying knots.
Track Manager:
“Alright everyone, listen....
We need you to go around to every stall, bathroom,
and
garage and untie any noose you see. Anything that looks like a empty loop of rope or noose... Got it??”
.
Track staff: “We have a question...”
Track Manager:
“What is it? Have you never seen a noose before?
”
Track Staff:
“We have, w
e ain’
t never untied an empty one before, boss.”
ShrimpHappens, née WJalopy
> Chariotoflove
06/25/2020 at 15:39 |
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That’s exactly what NASCAR bigwig Steve Phelps said today.
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The Snowman
> Sovande
06/25/2020 at 15:42 |
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Ah I had some questions for an admin maybe HHFP is still around is there a way to dm on kinja?
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The Snowman
> HammerheadFistpunch
06/25/2020 at 15:43 |
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Unrelated to this post but is there a way to dm on this platform or a way to block people?
The Ghost of Oppo
> bob and john
06/25/2020 at 15:48 |
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Well you’re a Canadian, right? Believe me, in Alabama there are pretty clear connotations as to the meaning of a noose. It has always been listed as a hate symbol by the Anti-Defamation L eague.
DipodomysDeserti
> CalzoneGolem
06/25/2020 at 15:52 |
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We have members of the military who are members of satanic white power cults planning ambushes on their own units, and you think assigning the one black guy to the garage everyone knew had a noose in it for the last year is overly complicated?
Dead_Elvis, Inc.
> The Snowman
06/25/2020 at 15:52 |
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is there a way to dm on kinja?
There isn’t. Can’t block people either, nor remove them from your followers, as far as I can tell.
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bob and john
> The Ghost of Oppo
06/25/2020 at 15:52 |
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like i said in another comment, TIL. (not that i would ever have it for any reason, because even ignoring the racist aspect of it, its a pretty fucking dark symbol)
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For Sweden
> McMike
06/25/2020 at 15:52 |
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oof
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If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
> bob and john
06/25/2020 at 15:54 |
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It's hella racist.
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The Ghost of Oppo
> bob and john
06/25/2020 at 15:58 |
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I didn’t mean to sound rude , I’m unfortunately letting other people’s ignorant comments get under my skin.
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> Zaphod's Heart of Gold
06/25/2020 at 15:58 |
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You f ucking nailed the point of this , thank you.
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DipodomysDeserti
> bob and john
06/25/2020 at 16:00 |
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I’m from the wild west and have always associated them with lynchings in the South. But I also had competent history teachers, so that might be the difference.
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bob and john
> DipodomysDeserti
06/25/2020 at 16:03 |
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#canadaschoolsystem
man i learned almost nothing of anything other then ‘brits showed up and took over land. the natives still hate them now”
actually really fucking annoys me
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DipodomysDeserti
> PatBateman
06/25/2020 at 16:13 |
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Those of us not from the South (or Texas) just aren’t as used to seeing people hang nooses everywhere. Same goes for hooded horsemen and Jesus themed bonfires. It’s just a cultural thing.
Arrivederci
> PatBateman
06/25/2020 at 16:16 |
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I certainly hope nobody is mad that ill intent was not found. I’m happy that it was just a big misunderstanding and nobody within NASCAR committed a hate crime against Bubba . However, the elation espoused by many folks on the right, as if this is some huge triumph proving racism is another hoax just like COVID, is sickening. All it does is further prove how much farther we have to go.
Additionally, most of us don’t have the understanding of knots you possess - if I see a knot tied like that, number of loops doesn’t matter to me, I see a noose. It’s also strange that this is the only garage in all of NASCAR that has such a door pull. Even stranger that this was there back in 2019 and Bubba just so happened to get assigned the same lone garage in all of NASCAR that has a door pull resembling a noose .
I guess what I’m saying is I can see how NASCAR also thought it was a noose and, since it was first noticed in the garage of a black driver, they reported it as a hate crime.
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McMike
> For Sweden
06/25/2020 at 16:16 |
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This is probably my favorite part of the year so far
. #BLM in NASCAR, Confederate Flags banned in NASCAR?
I never got the chance to watch the south burn the first time, so this is
kinda nice.
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For Sweden
> McMike
06/25/2020 at 16:19 |
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Wait until the next Belgian Grand Prix!
Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever
> bob and john
06/25/2020 at 16:22 |
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Growing up in Maine, I had no clue.
Attending hi gh school in rural Virginia, watching redneck classmates tie nooses on window blind drawstrings, I learned it was beyond offensively racist.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> The Snowman
06/25/2020 at 16:27 |
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Unfortunately no.
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PatBateman
> DipodomysDeserti
06/25/2020 at 16:33 |
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Where are you from?
ETA: I live in one of the most racially diverse areas of the nation and I’ve seen a hell of a whole lot more racism from states like Connecticut, New Jersey, Illinois, and Indiana than I have here in Texas. So if you think that Klan and “Jesus-themed bonfires” (and I still don’t know how that entered the conversation) is a “Southern thing”, then you’re being willfully ignorant of your own local culture.
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PatBateman
> Arrivederci
06/25/2020 at 16:44 |
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It IS a triumph for us as a society! We thought that this was a hate crime and it wasn’t! Be happy! Dumb people are being idiots trying to make fun of people on the opposite side of this issue because... why? We don’t have to be outraged for the hell of it. We don’t have to continue on with the “but here’s why we still need to be mad” attitudes we’ve had. It is PERFECTLY FINE to say, “Thank goodness this turned out to be a big nothingburger” and take a sigh of relief.
I’m not picking on anyone in particular here, but I’m getting a little annoyed that we as a society keep trying to find things to dig in our heels about even after they were debunked.
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Arrivederci
> PatBateman
06/25/2020 at 17:00 |
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Totes agree!
Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 17:17 |
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Yeah that’s not a normal thing for anyone to use as a door pull. I dont care if it was there since 2019, because that’s what doing an actual investigation is for.
The concern and investigation were warranted.
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Snuze: Needs another Swede
> Chariotoflove
06/25/2020 at 17:33 |
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I know, I was just twisting the knife.
Gonna miss those tax dollars. Then again I milk the gov’t teat, so in a way I pay myself. Weird.
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Snuze: Needs another Swede
> PatBateman
06/25/2020 at 17:43 |
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For what it’s worth, I am an Eagle Scout and was also taught how to tie a noose. I’d have to go dig it out, but I think it was diagrammed in the BSA handbook (though I could be wrong). But you are right in that there is a difference between a “noose” and a “hangman’s noose” and we were taught by our Scout Masters 2 things - first, tie the first one and never the second one, and second, there are usually other, better knots for most applications, so just don’t tie nooses .
I think this issue falls into point 2 from above - there was probably a better knot to use in the situation of making a garage door pull. We could sit here all day and make up reasons it came to pass (some bored pit crew member, someone needed a knot and it’s literally the only knot they knew how to tie, etc.) Is it a symbol of racism? Yes. Should someone have reported it? Also, yes. But now that the dust has settled lets all make sure we learn lesson 2.
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Snuze: Needs another Swede
> Brickman
06/25/2020 at 17:45 |
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That is a terrible loop for a garage door pull, for the same reason a noose is - a slip knot is not a good idea because it could trap your hand. And if the garage door is high enough it could lift you off and break your wrist or do some other kind of harm.
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PatBateman
> DipodomysDeserti
06/25/2020 at 17:45 |
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Nevermind. I just did a couple of seconds of reading.
You SURE people from around your neck of the woods aren’t used to seeing nooses hanging around? Something something glass houses.
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DipodomysDeserti
> PatBateman
06/25/2020 at 18:24 |
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You’re mistaking me for someone who gets defensive about the racism that I know full well permeates our society no matter where you’re from. Joe Arpaio was my sheriff for most of life, I’m under no illusion as to how racist our society is. My comment was mostly in jest, but the humor (eg. Jesus themed bonfire, think about it) clearly missed the mark. However, people here weren’t making excuses for unknown individuals as to why noose was hung up. Sometimes a noose is a noose.
The racists here once gave up a Superbowl for white supremecy. That’s some dedication.
XJDano
> The Snowman
06/25/2020 at 18:25 |
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From the Oppo rules:
https://oppositelock.kinja.com/a-slightly-revised-oppositelock-handbook-for-commenting-1750418920
Towards the bottom:
If you run into a situation that you are unsure of how to handle, or if you find a troll or have a persistent issue with another commenter, feel free to contact any of the mods for assistance. You can find us on-site or email us at oppomoderator@gmail.com or contact us on Twitter .
I don’t know if that email is still monitored or active.
Dusty Ventures
> XJDano
06/25/2020 at 18:45 |
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Active: Yes
Monitored: Kinda yes
Urambo Tauro
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/25/2020 at 19:09 |
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FINALLY a decent picture of the damn thing
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Chariotoflove
> Snuze: Needs another Swede
06/25/2020 at 19:33 |
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Me too. I survive by writing long winded grants begging for my tax dollars.
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DipodomysDeserti
> bob and john
06/25/2020 at 19:34 |
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I feel you. To give you an idea as to how ubiquitous the symbol is, 4,743 people were lynched in the US from 1882-1968 with over 70% of them being black, and most by hanging . Most of the whites killed were lynched for helping blacks. To put that in perspective, the US has legally executed about 1,500 people since 1976. Hanging was banned as a form of execution in the ‘60s, and hasn’t been associated with legal executions in a long time. Even in westerns hangings were usually lynchings, you just had a bunch of Italians pretending to be Mexicans or Indians.
Your boy, BJR
> Goggles Pizzano
06/25/2020 at 19:36 |
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gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> CalzoneGolem
06/25/2020 at 20:14 |
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just imagine the timeline if they said nothing. “we’re banning the confederate flag as it doesn’t go with our beliefs”
“noose found in black drivers gara ge. police investigation, official nascar statement: “ .. uhh.. shit ”
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CalzoneGolem
> gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
06/25/2020 at 20:37 |
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Yeah they really had no choice.
Jayvincent
> Dead_Elvis, Inc.
06/25/2020 at 21:47 |
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you can flag their comment - see the three dots to the right - and it should get a mod’s attention too
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The Snowman
> For Sweden
06/25/2020 at 22:56 |
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Apparently one specific track owner spent time tying more garage door pulls to sell at his “heritage” night.
https://www.si.com/nascar/2020/06/26/north-carolina-racetrack-owner-advertises-bubba-rope-sale
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Dead_Elvis, Inc.
> Jayvincent
06/26/2020 at 00:06 |
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you can flag their comment - see the three dots to the right - and it should get a mod’s attention too
Yep, I’m well aware of that. However, while that may work here, it seems to do jack shit in other parts of the Kinjaverse.
I’d welcome a block function, as there are a few commenters whose contributions are consistently loathsome, yet they remain in the black. Being able to remove followers would be great, too. (Shit, I somehow managed to follow myself a while back . There doesn’t seem to be a mechanism to undo even that. Yay, Kinja!)
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gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> Brickman
06/26/2020 at 00:39 |
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Overhand would be better so it won’t slip
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gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> My bird IS the word
06/26/2020 at 01:05 |
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the events can be completely unre leated but horrible to all but a few people.
First company I worked out of college was a huge headquarters and a dozen of us used to do cube pranks on people birthdays to each other . And like all pranks onc e you do one, you have to up it next time. we had @9 till HR got involved, “yeah we’ve seen this before so stop it”
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Dead_Elvis, Inc.
> The Snowman
06/26/2020 at 02:19 |
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What an absolute piece of shit, as is anyone patronizing this guy .
Yet I’m not surprised.